and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. Long action lone peak. 7mm mag has stood the test of time. The 28N is very similar to the 7 STW. Its designed to send long, sleek, high B.C. Trustpilot. at the muzzle. You go long. ADG 338 Remington Ultra Mag Brass. Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. https://westtexordnance.com/7mm-300-norma-improved/, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/28-nosler-195-berger-re33-testing.159270/, Desert Tech SRS A2 Covert FDE w/ conversions, Desert Tech SRS A1 FDE RH 6.5x47L - Parted Out. The difference might surprise you. In the past, running 284 Win (reaching back to Raton, 2013), I would have said that (for me at least) a rechamber would be in order for a straight 284 around the 2000 round mark. Supporter. The 28 isn't blowing the doors of the MAX. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. And the accuracy with both powders was great as well. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. Handloaders can find .284" bullets (the diameter that all 7mm cartridges digest) as light as 100 grains, perfect for pasture rodents, coyotes, and even deer. The .308 just has to be quite a bit heavier. Looking at going with the 7mag or 28 nosler. Trustpilot. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. I'm the same as you. 7rm for me. Full Member. I have a 28 nosler, and love it, but I wanted the extra 200 FPS from hand . The first question you have to ask when designing a new cartridge is, "WHY?" The 7LRM (Long Range Magnum) is a non-belted case that has the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag with a standard magnum case head. 7 RUM Choose an option 6.5 PRC 6.5 SAUM 7 SAUM 7 REM MAG 7 RUM 28 NOSLER 300 WIN MAG 300 NORMA MAG 300 PRC 300 RUM 30 NOSLER 338 LAPUA 338 RUM 338 EDGE 300 WSM 375 RUM 7 REM MAG BRIGHT 338 RUM BRIGHT 30 NOSLER BRIGHT. Also, is it worth getting a new rifle in the 280AI when I already have a 270 Win? The 7 SAUM is a short-action, magnum cartridges similar to the 7 WSM. 28 nosler is a great case, barrel burner, but if you're looking for say 3000fps w/ 195 at lower pressure, use H1000 or Retumbo, adg/gunwerks brass, and the brass will last you forever, take care the barrel and it may go 1000 rounds. Regardless what rifle cartridges were initially designed for, they can be perfect for other applications, which suggests the 7mm PRC could be your next do-all big game hunting cartridge. You must log in or register to reply here. We have killed over a half dozen deer over 850 yards with the 195 berger so i know it performs well on game (never lost a deer with the 195 even with one having poor shot placement). I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. haha The good part is it's kinda hard to go wrong these days being there are so many great choices. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm SAUM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.825", maximum case length 2.035". Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. Mag. Ballistic twins. Howdy. Pros and Cons of the 7mm PRC Minuteman. ADG 300 . Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. 7mm Rem. Mag., the 264 Win. and if you cant draw any tags, youd got a target rifle to tide you over. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. Both are great rounds. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. But then none have put it all together quite like Hornadys new 7mm PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge.) 8tw 195 or maybe the new 190 atips. 7mm PRC vs 28 Nosler The 28 Nosler shoots at faster muzzle velocities, but is an overbore cartridge that requires a very long chamber, with the Hornady hype behind the 7mm PRC, brass and ammo should be much more readily available soon enough. My vote would be for the 7 saum. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. That's how gun control works.". A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. The 28 is not going to be but about 25-50 FPS faster and it makes little difference. Full comparison of the 28 Nosler and the 7mm rum " Remington Ultra Mag" 2 big 7mm magnums that are very comparable. Definitely go 26" on the barrel. Running 8twist Proof 168s run flat, 5.2mils the other morning at 912y. To help you understand the flow of energy, check out the chart-. Thanks. Any opinions, thoughts, or experiences with either? If barrel quality is equally consistent, run-of-the-mill accuracy should exceed that of most rifles chambered for older 7mm cartridges. For you guys that have had both with do you prefer. Mag. Had same dilemma, went with 7RM because even during the great Obama ammo shortage you could always find 7RM ammo. Does a great job on Elk or pig. I just did a 7mm build too. Hornady 7mm PRC overall length matches that of the 30-06 and 270 Win., so it fits standard length actions. #1 Postby Marty Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 am. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. More obscure were the 7mm Gibbs and the Norma-loaded 7x61mm Sharpe & Hart in the early 1950s. 195s topped out @ 2950 w/ N570 using a drop tube to fit powder, that primer pocket was loose after. As mentioned above, one of the nice things about the 7RM is factory ammo is plentiful and fairly inexpensive. from all the adds for the nosler 28, they have the data on the 7 rum dumber down to make them look better. Pros, cons of both and reasons why. It's often put head-to-head with other popular calibers like the 7mm Rem. I'd opt for the 7RM. First, thanks to OP for starting this Thread and to everyone for posting. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. The 180's will work with a 9 nit the bigger bullets will have a decided edge in the wind. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. Again, both seen like great options but I want this to be a hunting rig, as I've got a rifle for shooting steel. $94.95 $79.95. It slightly exceeds the ballistic performance of the short-action 7mm SAUM on the right. The only advantage I'd see with the SAUM is using a short action. The Nosler Reloading Guide 9 lists a 175-gr. All the info in that thread made my decision for me. Jan 1, 2018 2,001 4,006 51 Muscle Shoals, Alabama. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. ADG 30 Nosler Brass. Few, if any, cartridges shoot as flat and hit as hard at distance as the 7mm Weatherby. If its a hunting rifle does it really matter? Mag. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. You could beat it by loading that same bullet in the 28 Nosler, but youre still facing the barrel burn out issue. Short, light barrels just dont do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr The extra heat required to reach hyper speed eats away at barrel throats rather quickly. Thanks, BnG. You can drive 10 mph and get thousands and thousands more miles out of your tires, but wouldnt you rather drive highway speed? My vote would be 7RM as well. Buy Now. It does have a dark side, though. Run 230-240 freebore this will work for 180eldm, 184, 190,195 Bergers. Given the same basic form and muzzle velocity (MV), a 180-grain, .284 bullet will fly flatter, drift less, and retain more energy downrange than a 180-grain .308 bullet . Part of this is due to the .40 inches of freeborn Remington builds into its 7mm RUMs to minimize chamber pressures on ignition. . for my brand of hunting. Pretty sure the can thing is a complete game changer on optimal barrel length. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. Copyright 2004, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. This calls for a light rifle. 7 saum and 7 rem mag seem like good compromises. Either is good. Since then weve met eight or ten other 7mms, but none has knocked the old 7 Rem Mag from its perch. I also see the counter that belted cases are reloaded just like non belted and it is a non issue. Categories Thats the 7mm magnum advantage. You are using an out of date browser. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. If you were to blow the taper out to .010" and add-in a 40-degree shoulder, you would only gain 1.9 grains of case capacity. Mag. | Trustpilot. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. I have a 7 LRM in a DTA, I've been pretty happy with it. He is having adg make brass for him, its head stamped and the neck diameter and length are correct for his design, will still need to be fire formed. 7mm brass is simple to find and the caliber is an absolute hammer on deer/elk. Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. I did 7remmag. I set my dies to headspace off the shoulder and forget about the belt. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. He's loading the 195's to something like 3.730" COAL, well past SAAMI specs. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. The 7mm SAUM is an ideal cartridge for long-range competition and long-range hunting. Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. You are using an out of date browser. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. Now lets check out the 7mm RUM. RL-19, H4350, and IMR 4350 are all good choices. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. But they didnt shorten anything. Essentially, 7mm PRC rifles will be manufactured with match-grade chambers. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. Just have the barrel throated so you can load those big pills way out there, to make room for more powder. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. However I am still using H4831, and I bet with VV N 570 or RL26 I could pass those speeds easily. If you dont own a 7mm of any kind and want one strictly for hunting, you might as well get the PRC version. Ron Spomer The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. Specifically, the larger diameter .284 bullets used by those 7mm cartridges have about 5% more frontal surface area (also known as cross sectional area) than the .277 bullets used by the 6.8 Western (.0633 vs .0603 square inches). 7mm SAUM Rechamber/Barrel Life. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. You are using an out of date browser. ELD-Match, Noslers 185-gr. More significant are the chamber dimensions, which are tighter than those of most traditional, 20th century hunting cartridges. JavaScript is disabled. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. ( They are sitting on the shelf waiting , though.) My hunting partner just bought a CA Ridgeline TI in 6.5PRC. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. Ive got the same dilemma. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. During processing the large, soft grains are broken down into smaller ones, which makes for a harder material. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. To get this Hornady went to its usual bag of tricks: The new, updated Remington M700 standard length action rifles handled the Hornady 7mm PRC 180-gr. Mag. Will be running as a long action so no worries about magazine issues. I didnt have any problems finding reloading supplies. Mag. Most hunters who resist target practice can get a lifetime of good accuracy out of these 7mms. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. might not sound like a big deal until you start maneuvering it in and out of cases, trucks, scabbards, and forests. Mag., 270 Winchester, 30-06 Springfield, and 300 H&H Magnum looked all but washed up. Im going to run a tikka action/stock trigger with spring upgrade with a 22in carbon barrel and a light weight scope. Sounds like from above that ADG is making 7 MAX brass, which is what Rich told me last year would be happening. 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