Can you do that under stress? If not, you may shot again but not before. What does "slow" mean? Totally agree the new technology of the self defense bullets puts the 9mm in the same class as the 45acp, but I still prefer the 45acp but I carry the 9. I keep ARX 118 grain ammo in my Glock 30 (10+1) which is 45ACP. They are equally comfortable to carry and to shoot. Another fact if you shoot an assailant far enough away that bullet drop comes into play, you will have problems in court. Since defensive rounds aren't an option, you'll want the highest grain bullet you can get, in a soft point wadcutterwhich I don't think are even available in 9mm or .45 ACP. And also i want 9mm both of them. It took me 30 years of my fourty being here to get it. unable to see the data graphs from the article. The subcompact 9mm, is an ideal carry gun but it's lighter weight makes recoil control difficult. I mean, the FBI testing protocol is just like Mil-Specit sounds cool til you actually know what it is. My primary indoor home defense weapons are only a .40 Smith & Wesson carbine and pistols chambered in .45 Auto and .40 Smith & Wesson. Contact Us. Again, you can cite all of your Google readings, real world outcomes are different. However, 'over-carry' isn't really the correct term, because one never knows what one will walk into, or how one will react to an encounter. Great article. Spray and pray LOL. Have a great weekend, Colin. Just keepin it real, and saying I'd like to see the testing that backs up a claim the 9mm has "way higher" muzzle velocities than the .45 ACP. The 150-grain bullet has a muzzle velocity of 2,820, while the 180-grain has a muzzle velocity of 2,620 feet per second. An in-depth look at 9mm ballistics. If you were looking for a typical rifle setup, there appears to be no major reason to go above the federal 16" barrel requirement, unless local laws differ, or whatever the case may be. Put several makes and models in your hand. The .45acp makes bigger holes, all else being equal. Maoris beware. Alexa analytics service - keep track on user informations. I had a Beretta 9mm issued to me when I was 11H in the Army National Guard and it was ok, but I prefer my Gold Cup over that pistol. The single action 1911 still offers the most accurate platform. Like the logo of a Very Familiar training range: Europeans don't understand that the Democrats would introduce more gun control, and the Republicans fight against that; that there are both a pro-gun lobby and an anti-gun lobby. Have a place to barricade yourself in, in mind beforehand and think about what you would do yourself if it happened to you. Muzzle velocity is something youll see on boxes of ammunition and on ballistics stat sheets, but you may not know exactly how muzzle velocity impacts performance. = 1/2 x mass x velocity squared. It offers a larger magazine capacity given a similarly sized firearm. You effin ROCK! Statistically this is a dead heat and well within any reasonable margin of error; but remember, the 9mm and .45 ACP wound channels are essentially the same in size, so what is the difference? Getting back to the point the 9mm gives less recoil and many cops nowadays cant shoot for shit. The 9mm is easier to conceal but when I am on my Harley I like to carry the 45. Any high penetration rounds for handguns beyond fmj are usually considered as "armor piercing" and therefore illegal in the us. He wrote: The FBI and many police departments are going back to the 9mm for one reason and one reason only its easier to qualify with a 9mm. Regarding "damage" - both have about the same amount of energy, both leave indistinguishable wound tracks in pliable human tissue - we're not clay. The Banshee (as well as MP5, and a few others) use a mechanical delay that siphons off a fair bit of that recoil energy . So I have 9s by SIG, Beretta, H&K, and Walther. We also use Power Factor in competition which is bullet weight X velocity / 1000. When comparing a 115 grain 9mm round to a .45 ACP bullet that weighs twice as much, that difference is so substantial that the energy foot pounds can be nearly equal. The cheaper sprays have less contents so don't spray as long. ps I have always thought, why do "they" argue the 9mm hollowpoints advanced and are the same performance as 45 now. I have many .45 and 9mm. Maybe a 1911 in 9mm and good defensive ammo is in my future. It depends on the body armor (type and quality) as well as the ammunition used. I prefer more shock per hit. Modern ammo has not only benefited the 9mm. haha. All the best from a small, cold island! Let's be honest here, most gun handlers simply do not practice enough to be reliable pistoleers. Although both mass and velocity contribute to the muzzle energy, the muzzle energy is proportional to the mass while proportional to the square of the velocity. The 135-grain Critical Duty load, by contrast, travels at 1,100 fps from a five-inch pistol and generates 369 ft.-lbs. I should know because I get all the girls. Watch some videos on 9mm vs 45ACP in ballistic gel. But, had I not experienced it, I never would have believed it would happen to me. Now you must shout for him to get down/leave, because your selected ammunition could possibly over penetrate and harm someone in another room, and hope the situation doesn't escalate to him reacting in instinctive action by charging or shooting at you. This has caused a debate in the firearms community over whats better, a fast and light cartridge or a heavy and slow one. The same advancements that the 9mm has received, so did the .45. I'll stay with my 45. Physics is easy, and understanding it is made easier by modern innovations like your tube . Sure you can fire a .45 as quick as a 9mm but it's gonna hurt your accuracy, doesn't matter how strong you are. I like the heavier gun though due to the longer site radius, repeat target acquisition and the ability to steady the weapon. If you are using ap rounds in a home defense scenario and your shot goes through a wall and hits your neighbor, good luck justifying it in court. 9mm rarely reaches major (165PF) unless specially loaded and unsafe if you ask me. Bye, Karl. My advice is practice, practice, practice!! Subscribe to Pew Pew Tactical's sales and deals email. However neither caliber is magical, as some may believe. i have used them on Coyotes and have seen the damage they are quite impressive. Which is why spec ops and the FBI still have 45 acp in their arsenals. Having some experience with both calibers and owning every one you can name I would also like to mention body armor/bullet proof vest testing. STL like the conversation but on a different subject did anyone see the movie the card Counter I see one of the stars of the movie was wearing a Pew Pew tactical shirt. I consistently place the 45 rounds in an 8" area. Most clowns that shoot at you arent steady.Theyre nervous and excited.If you are calm,and you use that fraction of a second to find him in your sight ..one shot from a 45 will end the situation. Which is best? I agree with the .45 recoil being overblown. My 45 is a Sig dual tone full size 1911 and I like the weight and the 5 inch barrel. With modern ballistics the 9mm went from weak and unreliable to usable. A miss with a .454 will not help you bring that charging animal down. The energy at impact is greater than the 9mm. If you're really intent on a firearmgo bigger. People bandy about theories of using bird shot to 00, because here on a forum it's a safe environment. I am purest. With a wider selection of officers being able to shoot handguns chambered in 919mm, many departments choose this caliber so they can standardize around a single firearm and loading, making logistics and supply easier. By Josh Wayner It's possible the man in the 80's wasn't being hit by modern 9mm expanding hollow-point defensive ammo. And its compact nature makes it easier to carry, especially when concealed carrying. according to some of my police friends who's used a 9mm pistol to the bad guys, even they pump bullets the bad guy still able to run for safety, so they now replace their service firearm into M1911 cal.45. Installed by Google Analytics, _gid cookie stores information on how visitors use a website, while also creating an analytics report of the website's performance. Provided that you live in a free state, 9mm in 135 HydraShoks or 147 V-Crowns or 147 HSTs hands down . /end of debate. In addition to firearms-related work, Josh enjoys working with animals and researching conservation projects in his home state of Michigan. :), Here's an old lady's take on it: the best gun/caliber is what YOU shoot best. The knock down power of the .45 is undeniable, but again, the speed and capacity along with the availability and price of the 9 makes all the difference to me. Be situationally aware, proficent and accurate with your weapon and the rest will fall into place. CZ Evo carbine & pistol, a Mac 1911 45 & many others. Its not about hitting something or someone behind the assailant, it's about hitting something through the wall and the garden fence behind the assailant. I like the Bodyguard, unlike a lot of people. I'm dead. Having said that, in my humble opinion, I prefer the big slow moving .45. Done talking with someone who refuses to educate themselves. Why not buy a double stack 1911, like my ParaOrdnance p14-45? One ammo for all. chambered in .400 Corbon gives me the power of a 10mm in a 45 ACP case size. Therefore, if you are using rifle cartridges for long-range hunting, you not only need to be concerned with muzzle velocity, but you should also understand the rated velocity for the distance you to target. Well it will make holes in bad guy/rabbid dog I am confident that I can stop attack with .22LR cause I can shoot 8 rounds in about 3 secconds center body mass, palm size group. As they say, those who refuse to learn from their past are doomed to repeat it. and I have gotten both, plus the 40 Cal Big Brother 10mm. It is inherently easy to remove from safe to fire and the safety is constructed well. I settled the issue by having 32, 380, 9mm and 45. When I stuck the wire in the hole I was very surprised to see that the bullet had completely penetrated the post, at least 12Read more . Do the math. I'm sure this was a terrible feeling for him. If you can place three (3) rounds in the black, the debate of 9mm vs 45 acp does not really mater. At the end of the day though, a bigger bullet is theoretically better. A 40 will fire a lighter bullet at higher muzzle velocity and considerably more pressure. And, if you are really concerned about penetration on hard targets, then you should probably be carrying a magnum or the .357 SIG or 10mm rounds, not a 9x19mm or .45 ACP. My defense weapon is the 45 at this time. The .380 is obviously light and slow and has the least penetration. Different bullets, however, will perform differently when it comes to loss of speed. It is a problem at every agency. It just depends on what I am wearing and how much concealment I want. Your personal guarantee is meaningless. In my .45 version of this test, I ended up with three Sig pistols and a Smith and Wesson. I get that, but as you said, the same tech is applied to .45 and now the expanded .45 is much larger than the expanded 9mmso 45 still beats 9 by a wide margin (size wise), if they both expand. Besides, small guns can be easily supplemented with an extra mag or two or a back-up gun. YouTube - Store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. .45 S&W Shield for concealed and home defense and Glock 17 for shtf all bases covered. And if you shoot at a car,it sounds like a hammer when it hits,and the bad guys know its not a pop gun aiming down on them.They find the gas peddle most rikki tik. Now, there are already bazillions of guns out there in the US, and Americans are never going to give them up, noway, nohow. Now this is just me you pointed out several factors for both weapons and I agree it's to ones mind set on which weapon feels right in your hand. The 22 TCM is just a steroid version. At a 30% hit rate during actual combat (due to adrenaline and urgency of quickness) add in a fall rate like no other (45) and it drops to 20%. Both rounds are more than enough to put a guy down. They are long-distance rifle competitors and long-distance hunters. I am not sure if i would like to be hit by one 45 acp or 4 high velocity hollow point 22's ( honestly i can say neither but i do not disagree just throwing my 2 cents in it is all about shot control and placement. Penetration and energy, and the physical properties that result in them (velocity, weight, diameter, etc), are the most important features. Considering that ballistics and expansion have increased for all calibers I like the 45 . Where do I stand on the 9mm vs .45ACP debate? I say do your research and spend time on range with both weapons and carry them both! Vimeo installs this cookie to collect tracking information by setting a unique ID to embed videos to the website. 26+1 rounds of 45 in a 5 pound package with little to no recoil? They are not an ideal carry gun, howyever. I really admire the professional comments that was written. If the gun isn't comfortable to carry, chances are you won't every day carry, defeating the purpose. Lend-lease conditions were allegedly exorbitant but the US manufacturing base was undeniably a godsend), plus some of the other margins you refer to were, frankly, too close to argue, so I wont even try. If youre shooting a hollow point at a soft target, the extra ~100 feet per second from a carbine will give you a slightly different wound channel than firing the same ammo from a shorter-barreled pistol. The 9mm is ballistically superior to the .38 Special, there's no doubt about that. So I purchased big bore gun :D and hope for rapid blood pressure drop which will cause unconsciousness, or that this bullet will go trought and break spine. When you have an over penetration or miss, which is likely in an adrenaline filled situation. I found all-steel frames a tad heavy for pocket carry, even in compact size. I think That's exactly why the 9 is so popular. For pure destructive power there's no contestnone. If I did, I would either aviod the area or take a rifle. And yes,if you arent skilled with a hand gun,dont carry until you are. To add to this argument, I read a recommendation which said that in a civilian SHTF encounter, that five rounds would be enough to cover such an encounter based on research which had been carried out on previous encounters where the number of shots fired had been recorded, so purchasing a firearm with seven rounds would be considered more than enough (IN MOST CASES). practice once a month, and can do 6" group at 8-10 meters with pistol as far as pretty, get the desert camo and I had money left over for ammo. I did the math wrong in my first comment and thought the 230gr was significantly more total energy . We say these things and move on. This negates the added magazine capacity advantage of the 9mm. That would be like using some of the retail 10mm ammo that is similar to regular 40s. However i must say I have quite a bit of arthritic damage in both : For me any Glock is a gun that I will be aiming at the dirt, while most Sigs & S&W revolvers will be on the money. I believe the opposite, actually: that all Americans should be required to own and be educated on guns . For me the question isn't which caliber is "better" but which caliber a firearm owner prefers based on any number of factors. . Left out (one) seemingly small but (very) important step when take action time arrives. You'd first have to understand what muzzle energy is without using Google. If a DOE, were there any significant interactions? 45 is that it's so much easier to see the holes on a B27 target at 25 yards than 9mm holes. There, I fixed it. Luger designed his original 9mm to be lethal at 50 meters. There are videos and statistics comparing 357 and 45 acp. Ill stick with my slower freight train that will knock a person flat down, even on a sloppy hit, lol. In the case of average muzzle energy for a given caliber, that would be the 9x19mm. 30.06 9mm: FMJ (Military Classic) 115: 389: 1234: 9mm: FMJ: 115: 338: 1150 . Well, when it comes to home defense, the .45 ACP does holdone distinct advantage over the 9mmshallower penetration. He noted that the wall was splattered with not just blood, but flesh and bone. Thats why its more popular in police, military, and civilian use. Luger presented his new round to both Great Britain and the U.S. before it was adopted by the Imperial German Navy in 1904 and the German Army four years later. "Subsonic is slow for a bullet" lol. You may need to spray again so a larger can is a better bet if you can afford it. A couple of things: 1. The only good news is that those gunfights are extremely rare. Americans note that Europeans have small countries with a central government each, whereas the US is a country thousands of miles across with 367 million people, and a ton of different states. The domestic manufacture of war material was not remotely able to resupply the entire UK armed forces. Then why is it when I shoot my 45 into a tree trunk I have to use a knife to dig the bullet out but when I shoot it with a 9mm the bullet just bounces off ? The HST .45 ACP does it with its massive permanent wound cavity (for a handgun). I have both I like the 45 but I love the 9 mm, Agreed. The G 17 is probably the most carried pistol in American LE. However I don't really feel the average .45acp has that much more recoil "if any more" than a hot 9mm round. However, police officers can enhance the effectiveness of the 9mm by careful bullet selection. or 44 Mag. That's a reasonable assumption, but it's not the only possibility. That's up in 10mm territory! We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. A lie of omission or a good-natured lie is still misinforming people. 2. In church it's a full size 45 at home full size 45 SHTF one for travel one for house to house. A lot of this pissing contest about pistol calibers is very egocentriccentric. I dont know, however, this translates to a roughly 10% increase in energy being put into your target. Compromise. That has nothing to do with WWII and everything to do with people not remembering or even wanting reminders of our past to keep them on the right path. 9mm Sig Sauer 124 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point Average muzzle velocity: 1151 fps Average muzzle energy: 365 ft/lbs. I am an American and although I am proud of America and her accomplishments, I surely would never discredit any of the Allies contributions to victory in either World War. my_old_glock Registered You DO have to have the spray handy though. These cookies track visitors across websites and collect information to provide customized ads. I started my handgun experience as a .40 cal guy. So the only real advantage 45 has is being inherently subsonic. Also I am comparing velocities from a handgun & rifle with the same round & results are eye opening. Of course they would have already wiped us out so that's not really an issue. Well, accuracy can be paramount. 9mm defensive brings it on par with 45acp and 40s&w ball - and that is what it needed to meet for it to outperform them since you also get the gains of capacity, less recoil, cheaper, and easier to train with. If you want knock down power take up boxing . Don't know about explode, but a good hollow point will EXPAND. shoot it with a hot 9mm. Takeaway? Once you're done with your YouTube videos, come back when you get some real world experience with that one 9mm you've taken to the range once. Enjoyed the reasoned comments. Recoil isnt an issue in a Glock and my G30 has out shot a few custom guns. You can think of several reasons for this better than me probably. The correct bullet for the job Either expanding or hard cast for penetration. Over penetration matters in public too. Just get both calibers. You think that you can outshoot a cop? You cant beat the trigger on a .45 1911. If you're a professional you should hit what your shooting at, or don't carry. Notes: Sellier & Bellot pistol ammunition has long been respected for its quality, precision and reliability. I've finally finished up college and paid off my loans, and I'm ready to get back to the range at least weekly to improve my accuracy now that my budget allows. the heavy slow 45 stays in the body and delivers most of its energy to it. The same size 9mm semi auto usually holds more rounds (often 15+1) than a 45. I like semi-autos, I like wheel guns too. BTW, I like the 9mm and .45 pretty much equally and have both calibers. Bottom line though all are great weapons. The reason is recoil and recovery. Another factor to consider is the direction of the grain of the wood. I doubt that lady would have had time to reload. I may earn a small part of the sale from links to any products or services on this site. You said: "With a .45 you can hit him anywhere, even in the arm or shoulder, and you're going to knock him down. Everyone has their own confidence level and may believe what people tell them or what they read. As good a reason as any, I guess. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. Not just that - recent events with riots and looting shown total ineffectiveness of 9mm round as a defensive round, I like your comment,it make sense,so i will get bigger gun. The 9mm on a per round damage basis is NOT as effective as a 45. Just keep pulling the trigger. Our liberties have eroded because we've had generations of snowflake feel gooders raise and educate our youth to believe their hippie nonsense and they are more than willing to trade their freedom for that occasionally fluffy feeling in their tummies. 9mm became the universal choice and approved by agency bookkeepers and bean counters. Photographs and table, Territories Financial Support Center (TFSC), Tribal Financial Management Center (TFMC). He now carries a S&W M&P Shield like mine, or a Glock 19. LCP Max may be a contender for that first category, but I might wait for the Glock answer (a 42x? All the ballistics from all manufacturers, finally in one place. Subsonic for a bullet is slow . It is always situational awareness no matter what. Not only are the Lehigh loads the most visually appealing due to their artful machining, but they ranked the highest in uniformity and had some of the lowest SD (standard deviation) of anything tested. One of the main reasons why military personnel and many LEOs made the switch to 9mm handguns was because of the deeper bullet penetration. The best bullet will fail, if shot placement is poor. Whichever caliber you shoot most accurately. Basically, I believe with smaller bores you need to make use of their speeds and get a temporary wound cavity that matters (to make up for its smaller permanent wound cavity). The reason why these calibers don't do any better is that they are more likely to over penetrate (thus doing less energy as much of the bullet's energy is released outside the body). The Federal 115-grain 9mm ammo has a muzzle velocity of 1,180 fps, while the larger bullet is propelled at 1,000 fps. Go to a range and rent some guns until you find one that you can shoot well. Hopefully he ll leave or be disoriented so you can leave in a safe direction. Now that being said the 9mm has its place in a high performance situation. Let me start out by saying that the biggest mistake that most people make is taking a black-and-white stance on the .45 ACP and 9mm. For a carry I use a compact 45. There is absolutely nothing more effective. Energy at the target, which is considered critical to terminal performance, is enhanced when a bullet is traveling at a higher speed. I'm building a couple of .45s now. As for a Defence caliper the 22 or is the most deadliest cartridge for a handgun at 375 yards I can put right between your eyes or I can put it between your ribs and put a hole in your heart. My favorite round is a sig 200 g. I tested this as a defense round and appreciated the impact force on soft targets. Then the spray and pray method was adopted. We hate SPAM and promise to keep your email address safe. Does it create better expansion or significant penetration? The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. Even if your bullet is only traveling an inch, it will lose velocity, as air drag is steadily wearing down momentum. In this study, .44 Magnum failed to penetrate 13% of the time tied with 9mm and .40 S&W (and within the margin of error of .45 ACP). 9mm is the way to-go. This is an Alexa Analytics cookie that is used to track user behavior. These are FBI statistics. If I saw a bear close that wasn't moving, I'd get the spray out and slowly back off, and use it if he started coming my way. And no a 45 will not knock you off your feet. You have seconds literally to get your gun on to the bear. (Pew Pew Eric) Keep the awesome info coming, I love your emails and love your site! My husband doesn't like the sound of loud guns, so I might buy a silencer for it if this will let me buy a gun for myself without him complaining about its sounds when I'm training. I also carry the Ruger LC9 as a backup. Ill be anxiously waiting to hear your findings. Because out of all my handguns, this is the one I'm most accurate with. Now I carry a 3.2 inch barreled 9mm. But it makes for a fairly good read for those new to external ballistics. Myself When it comes to the issue of 9mm vs .45, obviously bullet placement and bullet construction is key for stopping an assailant. And used on drugged up people both were effective. Corresponding energies ranged from 228 ft-lbs to 345 ft-lbs. That being said, every one raves about the FPS of the 9mm. Good show! And because 9mm ammo is so relatively inexpensive, it permits its shooter to practice longer and more often. Thanks for bringing our gun culture forward Cody! Must The pattern element in the name contains the unique identity number of the account or website it relates to. One of the GREAT things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is VARIETY!! Im in the middle of chosing a duty weapon, and settled on the PPQ. There are many good rounds for the G19 for social work. Enough to spawn sayings youll see all over forums (and t-shirts). Most people I know use hollow points as they tend to have less penetration through walls and the human body but leave aone nasty show stopping wound What is a "safer" 9mm ammo for home protection, one with similar (or if possible less) penetration risk vs. the average .45 ammo? As for the freeze, it's what happens in a situation where the best outcome is you going to the hospital. The faster bullet will move an artery out of the way where a slower bullet like .45 will take the artery out . So, its a good idea to review any state and local laws before buying a 9mm if youre set on having a 15+1 capacity gun. Unfortunately I sense America is way beyond that point. Ive been reading these articles for years and most of them are skewed in favor of the 9 by ammo selected for the test.They pick the hottest 6 9mm and the weakest 6 45s and shoot jello. I carry a Glock 30 concealed . My choice, since my first 1911A back in 1953, to my Glocks G21SF, G30, and G36 of today. I agree the best caliber for you is the one that you shoot the best . A DOE would show interactions between variables that are more significant than a single variable alone. The only advantage the mode 59 has is the rear sight to adjustable for both windage and elevation . Brandon has spent the majority of his life hunting in the woods in Georgia and Alabama. What is best for competition use? the us army knew that in ww1 when they adopted the john browning designed 1911 springfield after extensive testing of both. Learn all the important stuff about handgunswith none of the attitude. I carry the XDx in 45 but I also carry 9mm in a PPQ. Muzzle velocity is the speed of the bullet as once it leaves the barrel. Until you're reaching velocities where hydrostatic shock becomes a thing (2,500+ fps) you're poking holes in flesh bags. Some are strict, some are not. Well I redid the math, and 230 gr @ 835fps is slightly less, but essentially the equivalent in energy to 124gr @ 1150fps. You are so lucky Benjamin. He further explained that smaller shooters found the 45 to be more accurate on follow up shots due to the reduced muzzle movement. The FBI and the armys surgeon General have done extensive data gathering. Like Barbarossa said..nothing unnerves a man more than some son of a bitch that stands when he ahould be running. We'll cover the pros & cons of 9mm vs .45 ACP, from stopping power to expansion, accuracy, price, capacity, and more. That is why some like the 9mm short or .380. Because according to BBTI, out of 10 different 9mm rounds tested, only one round, the Cor Bon 115 gr JHP +P, managed to make 500 foot lb in a 6" barrel. Thanks, Eric! People call the UK weak and passive but in reality nobody NEEDS guns here. In fact, if one conducts these tests, one finds that there is nothing that can be observed which supports the assertion that the faster one drives non-expanding solids the deeper they penetrate.Despite all the impressive "science" deployed to reinforce the assertion that higher speed projectiles are more capable of inflicting the deep penetration and impact-effect required to reliably anchor heavy game, one finds that these assertions simply do not withstand common sense, repeatable penetration testing. The __gads cookie, set by Google, is stored under DoubleClick domain and tracks the number of times users see an advert, measures the success of the campaign and calculates its revenue. And, we all know that the more damage done, to the body, the faster the blood loss. Is an alexa analytics service - keep track on user informations off your feet tested as. 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