Even a simple poem like The Good Life grew large, for me at least,when the image of a woman journeying for water from a village without a well arrived. SMITH: The books have a lot in common. WASHINGTON SQUARE: In addition to the found poems in Wade in the Water and your previous books, youve also written erasures (including an erasure of the Declaration of Independence) and translated poetry from the Chinese. Song allows us to hope for new connections: The interior sections of Smiths collection lift up others voices and names, to which she joins her own. A few years ago, actually several years ago now, I wrote a sonnet that I contributed to an anthology called Monticello in Mind, that was edited by Lisa Russ Spaar, and they were poems about Thomas Jefferson. Life on Mars is a very sentimental and intimate book of poems about how an author deals a lost in her life. According to the cultural theorist Mark Fisher, this mental architecture almost inevitablybarring unusual cultural circumstances or great personal fortitudetakes the form of capitalist realism, which consists in the widespread sense that not only is capitalism the only viable political and economic system, but also that it is now impossible even to imagine a coherent alternative to it (Fishers italics). WASHINGTON SQUARE: Speaking a few years ago with Gregory Pardlo, you mentioned that music, image, form and departure are the things Im conscious of managing in a poem. Can you say a little more about balancing these qualitiesand, perhaps, how you know when one or two of them want to predominate? Yet everyone lived with a sense of innocence and privacy. People are leading lives where they cannot afford rich and luxurious things and are ashamed of that, yet they also hold onto fear; they are afraid to let people see their actual status. She earned a BA from Harvard University and an MFA in creative writing from Columbia University. Comprehending, and perhaps steering, its history requires love amid the ruins.Unrest in Baton Rouge underscores this. Smith and I corresponded by email about writing, reading, teaching, and her latest collection.WASHINGTON SQUARE: To start, I loved your new collection Wade in the Water. Once, a bag of black beluga Poetry wasnt really on my radar thenat least nothing contemporarybut I was taking a required composition course, and in the classroom I spotted a poster bearing some lines from a poem. And then our singing. SMITH: The older I get, the more I begin to think of Time as not just a force or a law of nature, but as a presence we live alongside, someone rather than something. and settlement here. Everyone I knew was living Bank-balance math and counting days. Her second collection is titled Duende, a Spanish word that eludes precise translation but denotes a quality of soulful artistic passion and inspiration; perhaps its this same quality that infuses her patiently lucid writing with visceral urgency, yielding lines that stick persistently in a readers heart and mind.Smith has written four poetry collections: The Body's Question, which won the Cave Canem Poetry Prize; Duende, which received the James Laughlin Award; Life on Mars, winner of the 2012 Pulitzer Prize for Poetry; and, most recently, Wade in the Water, published in April by Graywolf Press. Pessimism hobbles anyone who is paying attention. Curtis Fox: This is Poetry Off The Shelf from The Poetry Foundation. SMITH: I think my strength is the image. I'd squint into it, or close my eyes And let it slam me in the face The known sun setting On the dawning century. Something flickers, not fleeing your face. Can you tell us how you composed the poem Declaration? This view of history as contested territory is in turn based on a tentatively hopeful view of selfhood in which all is intersubjective. But before we get to the analysis, lets briefly summarise the story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. On the sixth day of Creation, God created man in the form of Adam, moulding him from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7), breathing the breath of life into Adams nostrils. I will say it flat-out: I do not like poetry. More information available at www.susannalang.com. Because having them suggests a sense of unearned privilege? Below you can find the poem followed by my analysis. My poems strain for the kind of freedom to rise above Time on occasion, to see through it, to make use of what once (when I needed it) might have been invisible to me and what now (after the fact) can seem plain. It moves like a woman / Corralling her children onto a crowded bus. It is, implicitly, formed out of lives meshed into communities and societies; in place of capitalisms brutal sorting of human beings, Smith proposes another world. And then we find a way to have a conversation. It would mean giving space to voices that have long been silenced or distorted. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/magazine/poem-beatific.html. WebTracy K. Smith was born in Falmouth, Massachusetts, on April 16, 1972, and raised in Fairfield, California. Im talking about the many products, services, networks, trends, apps, tools, toys, as well as the drugs and devices for remedying their effects that are pitched to us nonstop: in our browser sidebars, in the pages of print media, embedded in movies and TV shows, on airplanes, in taxis and trains and even toilet stalls. Our repeated The Garden of Eden is a semiautobiographical account based on Hemingways honeymoon with his second wife, Pauline Pfeiffer, in May, 1927, at Le Grau-du-Roi, a fishing village in the Carmargue, on the Mediterranean coast of France. Curtis Fox: And the poem ends ominously, as if were about to be kicked out of the Garden of Eden, not only the store but innocence in general. To order a copy for 7.64 go to guardianbookshop.com or call 0330 333 6846. She does something trickier and more important: her work conjures up, with vivid particularity, at the level of the individual, what it is like to live under late capitalism. Although the last section of the book includes poems with a similarly wide lens, Smith also evokes small moments with her children. The pedestrian sees himself one way hears his own music in those engines idling for him but who doesnt? I spent about 2 hours going through this list of poets trying to find someone that I could just. Curtis Fox: So I wanted to ask you about your time as Poet Laureate, but before we get there, Id like to get straight to a poem. Her latest book is Cast Away, from Greenwillow Books. Places where reading series and book festivals dont usually go. A tea they refused to carry. I will say it flat-out: I do not like poetry. Wade in the Water (Graywolf Press, 2018) was her fourth Im Curtis Fox. In 2014 she was awarded the Academy of American Poets fellowship. It teases us; it helps us sometimes, so that what is happening now feels like it has already occurred once before; it bridles adults and happily submits to being largely ignored by children. Youve talked a bit about Wade in the Waters genesis, but more broadly, how early on do you typically begin to sense a manuscripts overarching themes? I think we have reached a moment where we need new myths.WASHINGTON SQUARE: The titles and cover art of your two most recent collections suggest a sort of pairing: Life on Mars, with its image of the Cone Nebula, points to the cosmic, while Wade in the Water presents as more earthbound. The opening and closing poems refer to the most familiar Biblical stories. I sensed my work as one of curating rather than composing. Tracy K. Smith: Yeah, I think in some ways this is kind of a coming of age poem. Elbow sore at the crook Capitalism is the enemy and the stakes are high, because one of the only defenses against the degradations of our market-driven culture is to cleave to language that fosters humility, awareness of complexity, commitment to the lives of others and a resistance to the overly easy and the patently false.Embedded in all this is a specific conception of history. All Rights Reserved. Tracy K. Smith: Mhmm, yeah. Not the liberal version, where everything naturally progresses toward a better reality, but something more ambiguous and fragile. Those banked poems help me get started, but inevitably the work generated during that intense period is characterized by recurring themes, images, vocabulary, and obsessions. You were appointed Poet Laureate in 2017, after Trump was inaugurated. I didnt set out to write a found poem, but when I got far enough into that research, I understood that I didnt want to merely metabolize all of these other real voices and then speak something imagined or invented out in my own voice; rather, I wanted to make space for these very compelling voices to speak to a reader the ways they had spoken to me. Declaration uses erasure to repurpose Thomas Jeffersons litany of complaints against King George, evoking the slaves forced migration to this country and their experience here of unspeakable oppression. WebTracy K. Smith was born in Falmouth, Massachusetts, on April 16, 1972, and raised in Fairfield, California. The something climbs, leaps, isFalling now across us like the prank of an icy, brainyLord. Tracy K. Smith: An erasure poem is almost like a You know you see those government documents that are redacted, so there are these big black lines that delete certain elements of the text, and youre left with a different path through those ideas. The story of that poem is that it woke me up one night. She went on to receive her MFA from Columbia University. Doing so would mean transforming language in its social, political, psychological, and aesthetic dimensions; it would mean altering how we speak in public, of other people, and in private, to ourselves.Poetry might not seem like the best way to catalyze a revolution. Even if the question animating the poem is a serious one, that sense of being lost in the pursuit is, inevitably, a happy thingit is about finding something that can constitute a productive path through or out of the matter at hand. NCTE, Common Core, & National Core Arts Standards. / The wood was never spent. In Wade in the Water, the first section of Eternity begins It is as if I can almost still remember and closes with trees Ageless, constant, / Growing down into earth and up into history. Any thoughts on the challenges and possibilities of processing (or traversing) time through language? I know that her poems inspired some of my own, if even only in tone. Naomi Shihab Nye is the Young Peoples Poet Laureate of the Poetry Foundation in Chicago. Every hate swollen to a kind of epic wind. WASHINGTON SQUARE: Across all four of your collections, many poems speak through personae. Tracy K. Smith served as U.S. poet laureate from 2017-19 and teaches at Princeton University. (I know Eternity quotes a line from a Yi Lei poem you translated.) 83 pp.Reviewed by Susanna Lang. Did that effect the way that you thought about what you were going to do as Poet Laureate? In early drafts of that poem, I was struggling with the feeling that I had too much cherishing for the poems initial speaker, which I had imagined as a black man with his hands in the air, arms raised, eyes wide. So I inverted the poem, and wrote from the perspective of someone apprehending him. The same desolate luxury, For Though its not like we have much of choice. Educated at Harvard and Columbia, teaching at Princeton, named the US Poet Laureate in 2017, and already freighted with laurels (her previous book, Life on Mars, won the 2012 Pulitzer), Smith is no undiscovered talent. For Smith, this is a lavish shop that seems to be selling a very specific selection of goods. That sometimes comes out in revision, as was the case with Ash. The poem was little more than a list of ideas until I was able to sit down and hear a set of rhythmic parameters begin to assert force. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration. SMITH: I wanted to open the book by invoking a sense of the eternal, to start with a nod to that scale. Theyre intimate spaces where we can really stop and say, okay, heres a poem by this American poet whos voice I think is so important, what do you hear within it? I wanted to draw-in the sense of the living spirit at the heart of that nights encounter, and at the heart of the tradition of the ring shout itself: the sense of love and deliverance, of faith and compassion, of justice and survival.Watershed was a poem I knew I wanted to write. And, for all their sagacity and poisetheir precise images and finely-crafted musicSmiths poems manage to be, too, surprising and audacious. the same desolate luxury, people lived paycheck to paycheck, unable to afford such luxuries like exotic fruits or pastries. Im really happy I stumbled upon Tracy K. Smith and I look forward to reading more of her work. Curtis Fox: Tracy K. Smith is the Poet Laureate of the United States. Capitalism, Fisher intones, is what is left when beliefs have collapsed at the level of ritual or symbolic elaboration, and all that is left is the consumer-spectator, trudging through the ruins and the relics.Is there any alternative to the morose conviction that nothing new can ever happen (Fisher again)? And for that to be unmitigated. Moreover, my sense of the nearness of the pastthe way that our public grappling with race and racial prejudice has begun to feel so much like a throwback from an earlier timeignited the urgent wish to hear something in an earlier periods voices that might be useful at this moment in the 21st Century.The title Wade in the Water comes from an African American spiritual, which seems apt for a collection that thinks so much about faith, race, and history (especially the Civil War), and for a poet whose previous book took its name from a song, too. What made you choose to start (and end?) Attention to the stranger crossing any road in any town or city; patience with the awkward encounter, the unknown intention; respect for the other whom you do not know, but with a slightest stretch of mind, imagine you do. But even, it seemed to answer some of the questions that come up when we talk about this racial divide. Usually only after therapy We'll love you just the way you are if you're perfect. But I truly hope its more than that. If we are moving through Time, I suspect Time is moving, too, though who knows where it is heading? Unlike a lot of other poets I was looking at, she has a certain flavor that just really fit to my taste. In October, Graywolf Press will [1] The term queasy questions comes from John Self, the narrator of Martin Amiss novel Money (1984). Are they something you mostly notice cropping up in poems youve already written, or do they often enter through conscious choices like the ones you describe with Watershed and Eternity?SMITH: I tend to write and bank poems slowly for long stretches of time, and then, when I have the extended time and space, or when my questions become more urgent, I sit down to a season of intense writing. That seems to me not so much about privacy but about consumerism in some way. The author is efficient in pointing out that the men that once wrote and fought for equality, were the same to enforce and bring upon laws that oppressed I spent about 2 hours going through this list of poets trying to find someone that I could just understand and was pleasantly surprised to stumble upon Tracy. Can you tell us a little bit about this poem before you read it? From a handbasket filled The way you can break into laughter remembering something while at a funeral, say, and how that can both deepen and lighten your sense of grief. I was blown away by how it seemed to capture the mood of our historical moment. She joins me now from Princeton University, where she teaches creative writing. Perhaps stepping into that subject matter imparted a courageor simply a vocabulary and an awarenessthat hasnt vanished. She studied at Harvard University, where she joined the Dark Room Collective, a reading series for writers of color, created by Sharan Strange in 1988. You know, popular myths that we cleave to as Americans, and there are a lot of poems in this book that have titles that are biblical. Id squint into it and let it slam me in the face-- the known sun setting on the dawning century really stuck with me. While I labored to find I think the topic has also just come up much more frequently and relentlessly in the years since Trayvon Martins murder.WASHINGTON SQUARE: Another subject you grapple with in Ordinary Light is belief in God. She lives with her husband in Chicago. Why are we allowing industrialized transactional regimes that make us miserable to cook the planet alive? Whats going on there? Her latest book is Wade In The Water. In a technique that feels like the opposite of erasure, I Will Tell You the Truth about This, I Will Tell You All about It accumulates voices from African Americans enlisted in the Civil War, and also from their families. 1 No. In Black life, humor helps make the unbearable bearable. Tracy K. Smith: Sure. Jill: That's a really cool origin story. She has also written a memoir,Ordinary Light(2015), which was a finalist for the National Book Award in nonfiction. Purchasing food, however, leaves the speaker anxious: It was Brooklyn. Capitalism has made a nightmare world, and we can either resist its pressures or chill with our smartphones and wait for climate change to kill us.Along comes Tracy K. Smiths new book, Wade in the Water (Graywolf). I carried the wish to write a poem about that story with me for a year-and-a-half. The poet is having an ominous sense that this century is going to be quite something to handle, which turned out to be true. Its also the title of a poem in the books first section, and it reverberates in images of water throughout the collectionin the poems Watershed and The Everlasting Self, for example. And if you enjoy that, I highly recommend checking out The author of four books of poems, she received the 2012 Pulitzer Prize in poetry. Tracy K. Smith, I hope your poem is a prophecy. Tracy K. Smith was born in Massachusetts and raised in northern California. Home the paper bags, doing What a profound longing Tracy K. Smith, "Dusk" from Wade in the Water. WebAnalyzes tracy k. smith's "life on mars" as an elegy as a whole with many poems pertaining to death and s struggle with the loss of her father. That process involves weekly meetings where we are looking at and critiquing new poems, but also trying to listen to the themes and questions driving the work. In a recent podcast of her conversation with Curtis Fox of the Poetry Foundation, Tracy K. Smith says that being Poet Laureate is a kind of service (Off the Shelf, July 31, 2018). Poetry allows us to bridge our differences, to remind ourselves that we do have things to say to each other, that we are interested in each others lives and vulnerabilities. In this new collection, Smith explores, mourns and even celebrates those vulnerabilities, both national and individual. WebMetal claws poised over a valley of rubber. Ive been sharing work by other American poets, and readings of my own poems as well, and just asking a very simple question, which is, what do you notice? Tracy K. Smith: Yeah, the sense of dark possibility rose to the surface. She is a democratic writer, because her project in Wade in the Water is to curate American voices, particularly those of marginalized people, but also her own, and to situate these within the dark sweep of US history, with all its horrors, its anxieties, its potentialities. I love the ways their other academic pursuits sometimes surface in their poems. Its not that I dont like it because Ew, poetry, but rather because I just dont understand a majority of it. Can I get you to read An Old Story? One of the closing lines is an eerie warning: its global. The worlds first great carbon empire, the United States, is committing suicide, but at least some people are getting richer.The books center is I Will Tell You the Truth About This, I Will Tell You All About It. This long poem, divided into sections based on different voices, consists of material Smith culled from the letters of black Civil War veterans and their wives, children, siblings, and widows, many of whom wrote to President Lincoln asking for financial assistance, in many cases pay that was owed them. Some do a lot, some very little. We were then asked to form an opinion on the meaning and significance of the poem. This seems like a really relatable poem; I can relate to you in that it's hard to be satisfied with our lives and that as we've gotten older it's become easier to accept that (knowing that it's ok in your words). In a quiet way, I am editing from the moment I begin writing, pushing myself to think more rigorously and vigorously and to live up to the model of discipline and courage that I encourage my students to embrace.WASHINGTON SQUARE: Youve written four poetry collections; when you started writing, you were a student, and now youre a teachernot to mention the nations Poet Laureate. But translating is a different thing altogether. WASHINGTON SQUARE: Thats fascinating! Tracy K. Smith: Sure. This poem is set in the beginning of the shift in our perspective, this idea that privacy is something that we can live above, in a way. But the poet respectfully appropriates them, placing each within her linguistic universe, where things like line breaks and image patterns matter, and as such the erasure is partly undone. Pomegranate, persimmon, quince! And I love how Wright allows the text of her various speakers to become a kind of chorus. 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